Looking Out - Declan’s MJ Story

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. [00:00:09] Speaker B: Hi everyone. Welcome to the it's all for Love podcast. I'm Cheryl Mazza, the healing dancer, your host. This podcast is all about Michael Jackson and how he continues to spread love in our world and inspires us to live our best lives. Thank you so much for watching and or listening to this episode. But before we get to the episode, I have a few things that I want to tell you. If you are watching this podcast on YouTube, please make sure that you are subscribed to the YouTube channel and also like the video of the episode that you are watching. And I would also love it if you would leave us some comments about how much you loved the episode. If you are listening on any other podcast platform, if you are able to please subscribe on that platform. And also what would really help me is if you would leave a review on whatever podcast platform you are listening on. The reviews help the podcast to be more seen and to spread the word to other Michael Jackson fans about the podcast. And as always, I am looking for guests to be on the podcast. So if you would like to be a guest on this podcast and tell your Michael Jackson story, I would absolutely love to chat with you. Make sure to check out the show notes and find the link to click on to schedule a coffee chat with me or you can email me. The email address is also in the show notes. Thank you again for listening and or watching. It's all for Love. Hey everyone. Welcome to the it's all for Love podcast. I'm Cheryl Mazza, the healing dancer, your host. And today we have Declan, who is 41 from Cork in Ireland. He is a DJ and in the past was a Michael Jackson tribute artist. He is a part time actor, both amateur and professional and everything he does creatively and personally is inspired by mj. Declan enjoys producing his own music and always creates with Michael in mind. So welcome decided Declan to the podcast. I'm excited to talk with you and to hear your stories. [00:02:22] Speaker A: Me too. Yeah, I think it'll be nice, it'll be nice to kind of see for something that I love talk speaking about, I never get to speak about it enough, so. [00:02:32] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:02:33] Speaker A: You know, this is, this is a good platform for, for us to get to just yap, yap, yap, yap yap about them. So. [00:02:38] Speaker B: Yes, yes. Yeah. My favorite thing to do always. [00:02:42] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:02:43] Speaker B: So tell me, how did you first discover Michael Jackson? When did he first come into your life? [00:02:49] Speaker A: Well, there's actually kind of intertwined stories, so it kind of comes in in three forms. Right. So the first Time was I was given my. My dad had a friend and his son gave me the Thriller album. He said I was probably 4, 4 years old, 5 maybe. And he said, take this, you need to listen to that. And I said, I didn't know what it was. I put it in and you know, it was a cassette tape. So back then when you put the tape in, it was. It played from where it was last stopped and Human Nature came on. It was the first song. No, I didn't know who Michael was. I knew nothing. And it was in the car on the way home from my dad's friend's place. And it was the. Something happened when he sang, when the. For when he said looking out. Something with his voice, just as a four or five year old child just came into my soul. Just. My whole body just reacted to his voice. And I didn't know who he was. I didn't know anything about him. And he was like, what? I remember that feeling. Oh my God. So I love that. And then some. Like the tape was taken out of the flipped over Billie Jean, Come on. But I thought it was called I am the One. Because, you know, as he repeated I am the One so many times I thought it was called I'm the One. And my sister told me, no, it's actually called Billie Jean. That's called I am the One. So. And then a few years later I was given the bad cassette tip by. By a friend who lived a few doors down. But it was, it wasn't the original tape. It was like recorded from another tape. There was like tip X written on it and it was like scratched in bad. And I put that in and it was the end of man in the Mirror. And it was, it was at the like the part of man in the mirror when he's like. He's like gospel. And again I was like, what is that? And then for my birthday my mom got me the. The Moonwalker video to rent. It wasn't even like. It was just to rent for the night. And Smoke Criminal came on and that was it. I said, this is like I cannot believe what I'm saying. And then the usual stuff, you know, Motor 25 and so it was all the 80s stuff, but it was more the. The Triller album for Human Nature. But it was the bad album that did it for me more than anything. I just thought every single tune was just killer except for one. I think we all agree which one, you know. Yeah, format we all skip. We go now. We'll. We'll leave that for Today, I. I think Street Walker should have been there instead of just Good Friends. But, you know, some people think disagree. So, yeah, that's how I got turned on to him. And the more I discovered him, it just seemed to become this whole thing where he could, musically and everything, do no wrong. Just every single thing that I heard. And I thought he started with Triller and then Bad, and that was it. And then I discovered actually off the Wall. And it was. It was a white cassette tape at the time, and when I put that in, it was the end of the off the Wall song. So it's like leaving off the Wall and I was like, that's not the same guy, surely. Because he sounded so different. [00:06:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:27] Speaker A: So I listened to that and in order, when you listen to them, it's like three completely different songs and different versions of him. [00:06:36] Speaker B: Right. [00:06:38] Speaker A: And I just. I was like, this surely can't be the same guy singing this, you know, singing she's out of My Life, and then this guy's singing Dr. Diana. Just doesn't match at all, you know? [00:06:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:52] Speaker A: So I. I just. I was amazed by how, like, how everything was so different, but also just incredible at the same time. Like, you just. He did something. I think anybody who like us, like yourself, it just. Something happens to our bodies when. When we hear his stuff musically and his voice and everything. [00:07:13] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I love how you described when you first heard Human Nature. I just did something to you. I think a lot of us fans have, like, a similar experience, you know, like, for me, I was around the same age and, like, when I first discovered him, and I remember seeing him on TV for the first time and just mesmerized, like, who is that? [00:07:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:07:38] Speaker B: And how was he, like, doing those moves or, like, you know, I was. I was young, so I was like, who is that? You know, and mom or dad? Like, that's Michael Jackson. And it. Yeah, that feeling too, of just being like, oh, like, yeah, you know, like, who is that? I. I can't stop watching him and I want to know more. [00:07:59] Speaker A: Couldn't stop watching him and. And also couldn't stop watching him and also at the same time trying to do what he's doing. And you're like, why is it? Why can't they do this? And I remember when I. When I first watched Moonwalker and everything was brilliant. Everything's great. I tell you. Smooth Criminal, just. I was like, what is this? [00:08:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:21] Speaker A: And I. I remember it's. It's crazy how we have just, like, in our memories, like a Movie. Like, everything's played like a movie. I remember jumping up so my parents were in a different room to leave me watch Moonwalker in another room and just smoke Criminal over and over and over. And I was on the coach, jumping on the coach, pretending I was under the table, like, doing spin. Yeah, it was. I. I like thinking back to those times because. Reminds me of a time where it was just pure joy. [00:08:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:57] Speaker A: Pure joy. And that's what brought me to that place. He brought me to that place of just pure joy. And just, like this. Nothing can compare to this. Nothing. Never. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even today. Even today. Like, how many times. How many times have we watched Smooth Criminal? [00:09:16] Speaker B: I know. [00:09:16] Speaker A: How many times have we watched it and still go, like, how? Like, oh, how is this guy doing? It's like, you know. [00:09:22] Speaker B: Yeah, Yeah. I could watch Moonwalker like, 24 7. That whole movie. Like, that's. That's my favorite. Like, I absolutely love that whole creation. [00:09:32] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. From start to finish. But I remember as a kid, and it was so different back then because when you watched one of his videos and then you go down the street because, you know, there was no YouTube and no social media, nothing. It was just like if someone had that cassette tape, everybody came in to watch it together because one person on the street had that video, right? And then we go out on the street and we'd all try to be him. We'd all be. We'd all be, okay, you be that gangster, you'll be the zombie, you'll be this. And we'd all try to come together. And of course, the talk of the whole street was, how did he do this thing, right? Did he really do that, like, you know, so innocently? [00:10:21] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah, those. Yeah, those were the days when we were kids. And it was just pure magic. That's what it felt like. [00:10:29] Speaker A: Pure magic. And he came. He came to cork in. In 88. And, like, the whole city was just like. Even if you look at news reports of it. No, the whole city was just. It was like this. This God has arrived into the city. Everything just shot down. They had to put on extravasance. And actually, I was thinking this today. It's a. This. This connection between things. So I have a scrapbook of all the, like, the newspaper clippings from when he came to cork. And I only discovered, like, last year in that scrapbook that my best friend. Right. My best friend's dad is in one of those newspaper clippings. But we didn't know each other then. Yeah. [00:11:18] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [00:11:19] Speaker A: Picture of A manus. And he was. He was running a BNB that. [00:11:23] Speaker B: For. [00:11:23] Speaker A: For the nights that people were coming down. And he was in the newspaper, like, saying, like, if anybody needs a place to stay for tonight, like, you know, I do. Bnb. And I showed my friend, he said, your dad is in the scrapbook. That I've had this, like, whatever, 35 years, like, and we didn't know each other then. And I was like, wow, so that connection of your dad is terrible. We weren't friends then. I know. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:11:50] Speaker B: Oh, my goodness. [00:11:51] Speaker A: That's very cool. [00:11:53] Speaker B: Yeah, I love that. So how. How has he inspired you throughout your life? [00:12:02] Speaker A: I think when you understand his. The way he was creatively and how he was just so. We won't stop until we get it right. And he had this thing in him where it was like, you do something, you do something, you do something. Until it gets to a point where, okay, this is it. And I think, like. And anything I've ever done creatively, it was always with him in mind. Like, he kind of inspired you in a way of if I was making some music or if I was doing some acting on stage or if I was choreographing something, it was always with inspiration from him. It might be certain sounds that he did, certain moves that he did, or just his work ethic and the way he was, like, standards. Some people would say, like, you know, in a normal everyday job, like, you know, why can't your standards be like that? And he was like, well, you know, that's not really creative. [00:13:07] Speaker B: Like, that's not our creative side. [00:13:11] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's just. That's just to make a bit of money, like an ollie that. Whatever. But, yeah, like, in everything. And if. If even going to the part of directing and lighting and every single way that he did. Did what he was doing, it was always for the eye. It was an aesthetic thing for us to see how it looked aesthetically. [00:13:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:40] Speaker A: You know, and I just. Very few people can inspire you the way he does. Very few people. [00:13:49] Speaker B: You know, I don't know there's anyone. [00:13:52] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, I think. I think the best artists out there are the ones who. It comes from a different place. You know, they're not even in control. It just comes from a different place. And just channeled out through them. [00:14:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:10] Speaker A: Can't even be explained, really. [00:14:12] Speaker B: Right. I mean. Well, that's how he. Yeah, that's how he explained it all the time, was. It's not him doing what he does. It's God working through him, you know? [00:14:21] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:22] Speaker B: Type of thing, or holy spirit, whatever you want to call it. [00:14:25] Speaker A: Yeah. And I 100 believe that it's, it's something coming through him because, like, it's definitely not something you can, you can think of. You cannot sit down and, and come up with a song like Liberian Girl, you know, you can't sit there and go, what kind of woman will I talk about? Let me see, you know, where is she going to be from? I think it just, it just comes out through him. [00:14:49] Speaker B: Like, you know, like a channel. [00:14:52] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Liberian Girl. Like, really? [00:14:56] Speaker B: Right. [00:14:58] Speaker A: And I was actually saying this to a friend the other day who said if he said something like Spanish girl or French girl or whatever, it wouldn't have the same rhythm. Can a ring to it, you know. But it was because it was Liberian girl. Like, it was, it just worked, right? Yeah, yeah, amazing. Just even things like that just. That's why, like, you can listen to the, the music and, and love them and feel such joy, but when you really think about it, you're going, it's, it's like trying to understand the universe. We never will. Like how these things can come out of them, you know? [00:15:34] Speaker B: Yes, yes, exactly. Well, tell me about your Michael Jackson tribute day. How did that come about? [00:15:44] Speaker A: That came about in a very interesting way, actually, because when I was young, I taught everybody could do the moonwalk. I taught everybody, like as in, because we were all in the street doing it. So. So the whole world were tribute acts, you know. And I used to be in school and people say, dude, moonwalk. And of course they go, okay, brilliant. But I remember I was in my aunt's house, I must been very young, and they had friends over and we'd know music. And I was trying to explain to them about Billie Jean, but I was so young, I couldn't remember the name of the song, but I knew how it sounded, so I said, okay, all of you have to go. It was. I still remember it because I remember him looking at me saying, what does he want us to do? I remember sending him I need you article. They were like, okay. So they did it and then they realized it was Billie Jean. So then they all did the bass. And then just to the debate, the songs they were doing, I did a little bit in the kitchen. And then as time went on, because I became. It was just every day watching every single video, like, not realizing that I'm study. Studying him. Didn't understand what studying was. I just loved it and I wanted to do it. And I wanted to be like him. I wanted to be his best friend and. And I just wanted to be around him and I wanted to be around that environment. So, like, he was my safe place, you know, he was a place that I went to my whole life, even now, still today, that I went to, to feel okay, to feel happy, to feel a bit of joy, to feel safe. And. And he was the only. He at. At times, was the only place I felt I could go. And the beautiful thing is he didn't even know that. He didn't even know that. You know, maybe he felt it. But like, that this little kid was going into a room, put on the headphones and just dance like him inspired him. So I. He was such a happy place for me that I just continued to do it. And one day on the Cork city street, there was a guy painting. It was 1997, so the history tour was. Was huge then in Europe at the time. And he was about to come to. To Dublin. And this guy was painting the blood on the dance floor album cover on. Just on the floor, like on canvas on the street. And he was trying his very best to dance as well. And he was doing like, break dancing and stuff. And I was like, nah, this is the total opposite of what Michael did. [00:18:32] Speaker B: Like me. [00:18:33] Speaker A: And my mom came up to me and she said, there's a man down there. And he's. He painted Michael Jackson and he's playing his music and he's dancing like him, and he really can't do it. So you. Will you go down and show him how it's done? And I was like, all right. So he went down and I said, in a man. Can I. Can I dance? Oh, yeah, no problem. I said, will you put on another part of me? What, you're actually requesting music now and everything? Like I said, yeah, but I know the part to me, because I have a really cool dance flair. So he did and I did it. The first thing I did was to kick. I don't know what I was thinking, but I just developed this confidence at that moment in time. But. And then I realized there was a crowd. I love this. I was like, this is brilliant. Like, people are watching me. This is class. So then you get more and more and you're like, okay, try this move, try that move. And you might get a bit of a cheer. You know, when you're 13, 12, 13 years of age. Like, you know, that's. Yeah, beautiful. So I started off doing that and I ended up spending the whole summer doing this. With this. With this guy and his family, and we traveled around parts of Ireland, and it. It was brilliant. And I ended up being on postcards, you know, tourism postcards and everything. And. And I didn't even know that, actually your man. The guy came up to me because here's. You're on this postcard. And he was like, what? Nobody asked me, do I get anything? Do I get any royalties for this thing? And I kind of felt a little bit of like, oh, I'm kind of famous. Like, I'm gonna be dealing. I was gonna go, but I wasn't at all, you know, But I. But I was, so I felt nice. So then as Time and Donnie did, you know, stuff. The usual things people do in school. I did like Billie Jean. Every time it was Billie Jean one year, next year, next year. And then that built over the years. And then I eventually started doing my own shows. And I kind of do little. Little bits here and there. Nothing too big, but I would always do bits and pieces. And then in 2009, there's a theater here. Beautiful, very old theater, lovely place. That in a very strange way, I have to tell the story quickly. Right? When I was, like, 10, it was a Sunday morning. My mom. My mom sounds like a stage man. She's really not. I just came up like this, just this one time. She says, they're doing auditions in this theater. Quick, go in. It's open auditions. Auditions for kids today. Going. So I went in. Never went to stage school, knew nothing about anything. All these other kids in there were, like, coming from musical theater backgrounds, and they were, like, doing big things in theaters. They had prepared their songs, their dances, everything. And I was just standing there, hadn't a clue what was going on. I was like, I don't really know what I'm supposed to do here, like. And she, the woman said, sing whatever you want. And he said, but I can't sing. It was about to sing whatever you want. So I ended up singing. Really. I'm not a singer. So it was. It must. She must have been looking at this little kid thinking, oh, he's not very good. But look, well done. Well done for coming in, right? So I obviously didn't get any part in the play because I was. I was shockingly bad. And then they said, we think you're just maybe a little bit too tall for the role. That's what they always say when you're not very good. And fast forward, like 16 years later. No. Yeah, about 16 years later. This very same theater from that day in October 2009, I sought out that whole venue by myself. And I remember going out on stage and I actually said thank you to him. I said thank you so much because it's because of him that I was on this stage. Right, right. And everybody was coming to see a tribute to him. They won't come to see me. They were coming to see tribute him. But I was so proud and I laughed. I, I took out one of my friends and I said, you need to understand how funny this is for me because 16 years ago I bombed right on the stage as a 10 year old kid. And no, I produced a show here in honor of Mighty. And I thought, how it swings in roundabouts. I said, it's the most. I love this story. How bad it was and then how, how special this night is. So I did that night and then for another few years I did other theaters around and they weren't always to that scale that, that high theater level. There might have been a few smaller venues around, but I always said that I will keep going until I feel I can't do it as good as I should be able to do it. And. Well, in 2017, I was asked to do like a, like a Lip Sync Battle thing for, to, to help raise money for a cancer, I think it was a cancer machine. I said, yeah, I'll do that. I said, I, I'm going to use this night as my last. This will be my last night I ever do this. And I wanted to shut off the world for that night and kind of make it a, kind of let's do this as best I can. If it does, if I, if I, I, I'm not going to be like I was five years ago, but at least I'm doing it. And I knew it was my last night and it, that whatever six minutes of Billy Jean, you know, the, with the extended version of it, for some reason usually they feel like about five seconds on stage. This seemed to go on forever and ever. And I was like, is this over yet? But I'm wrecked, tired. This is killing me. And that was lovely. Yeah. So then, yeah, I did it for a few years. Loved it. Always an honor of him. Never made it about me because it was not about me at all. It was, it was a good place for me to get on stage and, and express because that's such an amazing feeling, the expression. And I always loved so much, how much the audience loved Michael. That was my favorite part. And he always knew what was coming, you know, what was coming. You can hear you can hear the energy. You can feel the energy shift at certain parts. [00:25:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:08] Speaker A: Like you're building up for the moonwalk. Like, the whole place waits for the moonwalk for people, you know, for us, the moonwalk isn't the most important thing, you know, but for the kind of. We say casual fan or whatever it is. They want to see the moonwalk. That's all they want to see. So when. When we're building up to do that, you can feel it just lifting and lifting. Lifting. [00:25:28] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Oh, I get that just from some of the tribute shows that I've seen. Like, you can definitely, like, you know, we know when it's coming. [00:25:37] Speaker A: So it's like, you know when it's coming. Yeah. [00:25:39] Speaker B: The whole place is just like, yeah, yeah. [00:25:42] Speaker A: And the amazing thing is if. If you do fan events, when it's fans, like, who know every single move, every single dance, every single sound, and they do it with you. Like Dangerous. I remember doing Dangerous in Dublin in 2008, and the audience. It was like, maybe 600 people in the audience, but they were all. It was standing room only. There was no seats, and I could see all, like. I was kind of looking out rather than. They weren't going up. They were kind of. The audience were kind of flat. And every move, like, even this, and every single move they were doing was back. And, you know, dangerous. And it would chant them back. Dangerous. To me, I was like, this beats everything. Yeah. Absolutely brilliant. [00:26:21] Speaker B: Yeah, that's me. Whenever a tribute artist does Thriller. [00:26:26] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:26:27] Speaker B: To me, like, in the audience, they're. [00:26:29] Speaker A: Doing the same thing. Yeah, yeah, doing it. Incredible. [00:26:32] Speaker B: That was the only Michael Jackson dance I ever taught myself. And I watched the video, like, so many times. I think I was, like 7 years old or something like that. I was like, I'm gonna learn this dance. [00:26:43] Speaker A: Yeah. And you do it and you go and you go and go until you. And then you see something new. You're like, oh, I don't miss that part. [00:26:51] Speaker B: Right? Yeah. Maybe I didn't do it as well as I thought I did. I know, but I still remember, like, all the moves, you know, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:27:00] Speaker A: But, like, he. Like, every year, you see flash mobs doing Thriller every single Halloween, right? I always say to people, you can say whatever you want about the man. You can say whatever you want. You cannot cancel him. You can't cancel him at all. You can try, and if you try, people will want him back there. You just cannot cancel him as much as they try and they try and try to cancel Him. They just cannot. [00:27:28] Speaker B: Why? We will fight for him. [00:27:30] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:27:31] Speaker B: There's way that anyone can cancel him, because we will. I will fight someone. [00:27:36] Speaker A: Oh, we fight him. Like, yeah, I'll fight for him. I say, listen, you can say what you want. Like, but like, the art speaks for itself. Like, you know, and like. Like, if. When I'm gigging or whatever, I wouldn't. There's certain music you can't play. Right. R. Kelly being one of them. Okay. And a few others. The minute I play Michael, it's like, if the gig isn't going the way I think it should be going, I plan Michael. And everything changes. [00:28:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:15] Speaker A: Every time. Every time. And there's been times where I've been on a gig and someone might ask me for, you know, someone might say, oh, will you play Billie Jean? Or I want you back or whatever. But it's when I get asked for things like, want to be starting something? Or Blood on the Dance Floor, I'm like, oh, you know your stuff. Yeah, you know your stuff. I love this now. [00:28:36] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:28:37] Speaker A: They don't ask for the usual things, you know, they ask for something different. Like our. I want to be certain something would be a one that really always gets them going. Always. All his works. [00:28:47] Speaker B: Yes. I love Another Part of Me that's like. I think that. Well, that's not my favorite Michael Jackson song, but I love that song. Like, you listen to Another Part of Me, the lyrics, like, everything just. It inspires me. [00:29:02] Speaker A: Oh, it's amazing. Amazing. And actually, when. If you watch the. The Bad tour, because I remember when He Came to Cork, that was the song that, like, you know, he comes in, want to be starting something explosive. You know, Then Heartbreak Hotel, Another Part of Me just lifted it to a whole new level. And I think it was because at the time, the sound was so different, you know, it was especially live. It was like. Like in your. What the hell? What the. And he was raw and he was rough, and he was like, there to just. Like, no one. No one had a chance. Like, when you're at the. His show, like, no one had a chance. Like, it was. It was people crying, people fainting, men crying, men fainting. It was just everyone. [00:29:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:50] Speaker A: If you look around and especially when he was, like, on. When he was doing Beat it and he'd come around the crane, you see people screaming their heads off. And you also see people looking up, like, their mouths open like, like, what's. What the hell? What am I looking at? This is the most incredible thing I've ever seen. He's right there and then he's hanging off the crane. Like, what the hell? Yeah. [00:30:12] Speaker B: He was nuts. But in a good way. [00:30:16] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah. Completely, Completely not sick. In the best way. [00:30:19] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you have a favorite Michael Jackson song? [00:30:25] Speaker A: Well, it changes every week, depending on my mood. Yeah, it's Liberian Girl this week. But it does change weekly. You know, like last week it was another part of me. Before that, it might be, like, something that I would kind of not forget about. But, like, this time around, a few weeks ago, I couldn't get enough of it. Couldn't get enough of this time around. But if I could only have one forever, not two, I have to have two. It would be. It's very hard, isn't it? It's very accurate. [00:31:02] Speaker B: It is. It's very hard. [00:31:03] Speaker A: Yeah. Smooth Criminal and Stranger Moscow. Okay. [00:31:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:08] Speaker A: I can have the two. Like, the one that makes me want to go like. And then the other one to kind of let me down. [00:31:13] Speaker B: Yes. [00:31:14] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Smoke Criminal and Central Moscow, I think. Yeah. What about you? Do you have. [00:31:21] Speaker B: I always say that my favorite is the way you make me feel. And that's just because it reminds me of when I was a kid and I think I've told this story before. I was like, I would be home alone. My parents would still be working. [00:31:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:35] Speaker B: Would turn on that song and pretend like I was the girl in the video. [00:31:39] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:31:41] Speaker B: And I still do. [00:31:43] Speaker A: Still do. Actually. [00:31:44] Speaker B: My mom comes on, I'm walking down the street. [00:31:47] Speaker A: You're walking down the street in your. In your dress and your perm. [00:31:50] Speaker B: In my heels. Yes. [00:31:51] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. But my mom used to say, like, whenever that video was on and when, when, when, when the girl Tatiana came on, she'd say, oh, look, it's your mother. Like it's butter. He said, look, it's me. Look. Look at me. Now, to be fair, like, back in the 80s, my mom did have that kind of problem. So maybe, you know, and she's. And she's like. She's quite 10, so maybe she could have been. [00:32:14] Speaker B: She could have been. Yeah. [00:32:15] Speaker A: She had the look. [00:32:16] Speaker B: She had the look. [00:32:17] Speaker A: You had to look. Please. [00:32:18] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. No, that's. That's my favorite song. Every time I hear it, it just brings me back to when I was. [00:32:25] Speaker A: Yeah. Brings you that feeling. [00:32:27] Speaker B: Michael Jackson. Yeah. [00:32:28] Speaker A: Brings back that feeling. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:32:30] Speaker B: But I love a mom the same way. It depends on my mood, you know? Like, another part of me is when I want to be, like, empowered and, And Feel like, you know, because, you know, you're talking like you always, like, I don't know about you, but. Sounds like you do, but, like, turn to Michael, like, in difficult, difficult times, sometimes you just go. And you want to, like, listen to his music and, you know, like, put on the headphones and just. Or watch, you know, one of his concerts or something like that. [00:32:57] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Always. [00:32:59] Speaker B: He's always there for you. [00:33:01] Speaker A: He's always there. You see, that's the thing. He's always there. And like, in. In any circumstance, whatever mood you're in, you might be feeling happy. There's a song that he has for when you're happy, for not feeling too happy. There's a song for this. It just. There's a mood for it. There's a song for every mood. [00:33:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:18] Speaker A: You know, like, if you're at home alone and you're feeling kind of mellow, like, I can't help it is if you. You know, when you listen to that, you can actually. It does feel like you're. You're in that space. [00:33:36] Speaker B: Right. [00:33:36] Speaker A: The sounds and his voice. It's like, I feel. I actually feel like I'm in this kind of space where, you know, I'm a bit kind of, you know. [00:33:48] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. That's. I love that. That he has that effect. [00:33:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:54] Speaker B: On the world, you know? [00:33:55] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it's. I don't think really, there is any way to describe. Describe it because, like, it's a. It's. It's these feelings even when you're driving, you know, and you have, like. The Bad album is. Is, to me is like, the best album ever. And every song is, like, rough and it's just raw and you just. You feel everything. And Speed Demon, the last minute and a half of Speed Demon, like, I cannot cope with that at all. [00:34:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:27] Speaker A: You know, you're stuck in traffic. Like, you can see how he's going. What? You nearly can affiliate putting down the window and saying, you need to listen to what I'm listening there. Because you'll be doing the same thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:34:40] Speaker B: I actually got pulled over by the cops to that song. [00:34:44] Speaker A: Yeah. Perfect. Perfect timing. [00:34:47] Speaker B: Doing exactly what the song made me feel. [00:34:49] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're like, it's not my fault. [00:34:51] Speaker B: No. It was an open road. There was no one else there except that I passed. [00:34:56] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love it. Yeah. [00:35:00] Speaker B: Do you ever have any Michael Jackson synchronicities, like how he just magically shows up somehow in your life? [00:35:11] Speaker A: I think a lot of this is, you you might just go into the car and turn on the radio. And just the second you turn on the radio, or if you're already driving and you switch to station and then, boom, distracted, something will come on. I always find that really, like, wow. Like the timing of that. [00:35:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:30] Speaker A: You could be listening to something. You know, I don't really listen to a lot of modern music because I just don't feel it's. That. It's, it's. It's just a whole lot of nothing. Right. It's nothing at all. Like. Like what? And I would get asked for certain songs at gigs and I'm like, what is this? [00:35:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:46] Speaker A: Never heard of it. And then I play it and I go, you asked me for this. If I knew what this was, there'd be no way to play this. Like, so. Yeah, like, stuff like that. But, you know, a few years ago, I was working in a. A castle in cork. Black rock castle, Black water castle. And he had lived there for a few weeks or a few months, and there I was, I was doing a gig and I knew he had stayed there and I. I had asked the. The guy running the place about it and he was like, oh, yeah, yeah, stayed here. He was very nice. He used to come downstairs at 4 o'clock in the morning looking for apple pie. And I was like, what? Really? And I was like, have you got. Have you got, like, apple pie now that you can give me when I'm working? [00:36:33] Speaker B: Right? [00:36:35] Speaker A: He was like, no. Like, face. No. Sorry for asking. And I remember playing Billie Jean at this wedding. And I looked up and I never realized until that moment I looked up and there he was. A picture of him from. From the Bad album, actually. Just a picture of him. And I went, this is. This is actually I. I had to try to register that I'm playing Michael in a place where he walked these very halls. He was in this room and there's a picture of him looking right at me. That. This is just like. This is a moment. No, I need to just kind of pause. No, they couldn't pause. Imagine me pause. Oh, no, just pause. Sorry. Gentlemen, I just want you all to pay attention. See that picture behind you there, Michael? [00:37:24] Speaker B: Spirit is here. [00:37:26] Speaker A: Oh, it definitely. Yeah. And stuff like that. So I think, you know, you turn on the radio and song starts or, you know, I'm at a place where he lived. So I love things like that. It's kind of. Yeah, the timing of it is very kind of. Whoa. [00:37:44] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. It like sometimes catch you off guard. Yeah, yeah. Just like we Were saying how he's always there. It's the same thing. Like, for me, when I get into the car, say, I had a long day at work. I'm just like, ah. I just. I'm done with this day, you know, And I'll turn on the car to drive home and. And it'll be like a Michael Jackson song, you know, I'm like, okay, okay, Mike, thanks. [00:38:08] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's never the end of the song because I was like, the start. [00:38:12] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:38:16] Speaker A: I love it. Oh, it's amazing when that happens. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like years ago, before, it was so easy to get access to music. Like, if I was at home and my friends were out and he came on in the club, they would always ring me and they'd like, they'd hold the phone up. You can barely hear, and. And then they'd hold up and I'm at home, like on the phone. Some say, who's ringing you? And I go, whatever friend is ringing me, like. And you can just hear Michael in the background. And they're holding up. They're in the club, like, holding up the phone. Michael's playing, you know? [00:38:52] Speaker B: Isn't that awesome, though? Like, I always love when friends or family, like, will just like, randomly send you, like, a text message or something and be like, something to do with Michael because then it reminds them of you, you know? [00:39:06] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:39:07] Speaker B: If my friends do that now or, like, they'll be out at a bar or something and a band they're watching plays a Michael Jackson song and they'll take a video and they'll text it. [00:39:15] Speaker A: To me, be like, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's. It's a lot. It's so nice, you know, because it's like, oh, that reminds them of you. And. [00:39:22] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:39:24] Speaker A: I love that. Yeah. When. When that happens, it's. It's a nice reminder for people, you know? [00:39:29] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's an honor to be thought of with Michael, you know, Like, Michael helps people remind. Remind them of you. So. [00:39:40] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, if I haven't seen people for a while and if I bump into them, they always say, are you still. Are you still doing the Michael Jackson thing? And I'm like, I'm. I'm half broken right now, but if I could, I would. But no, but I still love him. I used to love him. Yeah. I still. Every day, like, being on or just, well, that's the fellow that loves Michael Jackson or whatever. It was a. Kind of a weird. Because I didn't. I thought everybody loved him like I did. Right. When I was, you know, you think everybody just. Mike. Like, everybody loves him, but not everybody did. And, you know, he'd been. You'd be in school, and it was like, I was known as the guy who. Who loved Michael Jackson. I was like, why am I known as the guy who loves. Why is that a thing? [00:40:23] Speaker B: Right. [00:40:23] Speaker A: But, yeah, I couldn't understand why it was such a. Why am I known as the guy who loves Michael Jackson? [00:40:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:29] Speaker A: Everybody else was just, you know, they had names. The Michael Jackson fella. [00:40:35] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're the Michael Jackson girl. You're. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:40:41] Speaker A: But I have. I have no problem with that. Like, at the time, I probably was thinking, why are they always on the boat? That. With me, like, that's not just what I'm about, but as I get older, like, yeah, love it. [00:40:54] Speaker B: Yeah, me too. [00:40:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:55] Speaker B: You ever get people ask you, like, why are you so obsessed with Michael Jackson? [00:41:00] Speaker A: Yes. And usually those people aren't in my life for very long. [00:41:05] Speaker B: Amen. [00:41:06] Speaker A: You know, it's like, what kind of question is that? I see you later. Bye. [00:41:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't explain that to you. [00:41:13] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. It's usually. And like, if it's. If it's a nice. If it's asked in a nice way of like, oh, tell me how come you love me? Like, I'm interested to know why. [00:41:21] Speaker B: Right. [00:41:21] Speaker A: No problem with that. I. I love that. And I love. I love getting asked questions about them. How did you, you know, what is it about it that you love? But it's when it's like, like, why you saw, like, why are you so upset? Michael Jackson, like, what's. What's the big deal with that? All right, well, it was nice to. Nice to meet you. See you later. Bye. You know, the ignorance of this person. [00:41:45] Speaker B: You're like, I don't want to talk to you. [00:41:48] Speaker A: I don't have to explain anything to you. [00:41:50] Speaker B: No, exactly. [00:41:51] Speaker A: You're clearly. Because I always think if they don't, like, if they can't at least understand, they don't have to even like him at all. But if it's someone who appreciates art and who's. Who. Who can understand why somebody might love something, that's brilliant. But if they're. If they're very, like, closed and they just don't really get it at all, I think, well, we're never going to be able to be friends because I'm very, like, a very deep thinker and, like, I Feel everything, you know, feel everything around me. So I was like, I don't, I don't need that from you. [00:42:26] Speaker B: Right. How does Michael continue to spread love in your world to this day? [00:42:36] Speaker A: I think with, with the people that are still in my life know, I think they will be forever because at this stage of your life you really, really know someone through everything, you know, to certain bumps in the road and you really get to know them. And I think he actually has been a part of the draw of people towards me, I think because I think people found some that interesting, you know, and it was, it was a common, it was a kind of a common love of him that brought us together. And I think that that love then is when you share something like that with somebody, whether it be a family, friends, relationship, whatever. Dogs. Like my, my friend had a dog and I was low to name him, I called him Jackson. So like, you know, spreading love right there, like. And he was, he was the. Nobody knows what type of dog he was. It was, he was the funniest looking thing ever. Like, he was like, what is this dog? And, but yes, he continues in such a way that you could be sharing a moment like with watching him or listening to him or talking about him or like my very close friend, like we, like even today I sent my, my friend advice not. And it was a certain part of the breakdown. The school criminal with no music and you know, when he goes and I go like that, I, I sent just that to him. Me doing it straight away like that sent back a gif of smoke. Criminal. He knew and I think this, this is our thing. This is absolutely our thing. [00:44:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:34] Speaker A: And we, we never, like he loves him as well. Right. But we, we've never actually really spoken about how cool is it that, you know, the two of us are such close friends, best friends for like 100 years, like it feels like. And we've never spoken about the fact that we both absolutely adore him. Really, we've never, we've just accepted it. So now we're just like, oh, we both love Michael and he knows everything is on him. You know, he might send me a clip of Speed Demon or something like that. You know, it's so. Stuff like that, like it brings people, it brings people together really a lot. You know, when you share that common bond. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:45:19] Speaker B: What do you want the world to know about Michael Jackson. [00:45:25] Speaker A: For the people who don't already know? Yeah, yeah. Because I think for people that understand him, they, they don't, they don't, you know, but for people who don't, I think, you know, he was very misunderstood, and I think a lot of people can appreciate his. His art. You know, you hear a lot of things of you. You know, his music was great, but. And I always say there's no but. I said, like, you need to understand, right? It's very easy for the average person to live a normal life. It's very easy for them to go out and walk to the. Walk to the store or do anything. And they always question, you know, why was he so kind of strange or whatever? Is it. He wasn't strange. I said, the amount of trauma that this poor guy had in his life, I said, I am so proud of him that he became who he became and. And he went through what he went through and still stayed on top and still stayed true to himself. [00:46:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:42] Speaker A: Because like, the suffering that he went through as. As a child in growing up. We will never understand what. What that poor man went through. No, I don't think anybody would ever understand the things he saw, the things he had to witness, the things he had to go through. It's very easy for people to judge on the outside and. And see all these things without what I properly getting to understand why he's like that and because he was like that. Look what he gave us. You know, like, he was. I'm not. I'm not one of these, you know, people who say he was perfect. The reason why people love him so much is because he was so. The opposite of perfect. He was so flawed, but yet he still was able to give us what he gave us. And he still was so happy most of the time. [00:47:35] Speaker B: Right. [00:47:35] Speaker A: You know, I know towards the end he wasn't very happy, but he was so happy and he was just. He did what he wanted, you know, and he never wanted to hurt anybody. And I just think he was an absolutely beautiful, pure soul and very misunderstood. And I think, like, time. Time will show just how poor for the people that don't really fully understand just how beautiful soul he was and what he gave to people like you and people like me. It's like a joy that. That, you know, it's very hard to get in in other places, like, you know, artistic. Artistically, you know. [00:48:17] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. No, I just. I think that Michael was the epitome of love. Yeah, no, like, he always emanated that, even when he was upset. He. He just loved everybody. You know, we. I think the reason why a lot of us fans are so drawn to him and love him is because we feel like we were accepted by him. [00:48:49] Speaker A: Yes. [00:48:49] Speaker B: Even though he didn't know who the hell we are, you know, like, yeah, we were so. Like, we would. We feel like if. If we were friends with him or knew him, that he would just accept us as we are because we accepted him for, you know, his flaws. We know that he wasn't perfect, and. Yeah, none of us are, so. [00:49:09] Speaker A: No, but I remember when I. When I. When I was younger, certain people would say, like, why do you want to be him? I said, I don't want to be him. I want to be his best friend. [00:49:20] Speaker B: Right. [00:49:20] Speaker A: You know, I said I could never live that life that he lived. I just. It would break so many people. That level of fame is. Is just so beyond anything that anybody could ever imagine. And how he handled that, like, really, the fame to him was. Was so normal. It was like, yeah, like, there's like 7 million people screaming my name was like, whatever. I grant. [00:49:46] Speaker B: Right. [00:49:46] Speaker A: It was. It was the other parts that he couldn't because he. Because there was always so much art coming through him, you know? So imagine trying to go to sleep and you. And you have, like, all these tunes going through your head, like. And I'm gonna go for sleep and then. Hold on. No, I can't, because. Because I have to base for who is it going through my head? I need to go record it, you know? Yeah. That's what people need to understand is that it's very easy for us to just go to sleep every night and be like, oh, this is lovely. But for him, it was. [00:50:19] Speaker B: Yeah, it's like he was gone 24 7. [00:50:22] Speaker A: It was just always on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just a beautiful, pure soul. And I always. I always thank him. You know, it's like, thank you. But look what you've given so many millions of people. Look at, you know? [00:50:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:38] Speaker A: Like, I could be sitting here some night watching him having a great time, and somewhere in Africa, somebody could be doing the same thing, you know, Someone in Japan could be at the exact same time. [00:50:50] Speaker B: Right. [00:50:51] Speaker A: In all parts of the world, in Iceland and everywhere. Like, we could be watching the exact same thing. And it's him, you know, that's beyond anything you could ever imagine, you know? [00:51:03] Speaker B: I know, I know. I love how he unites us all. [00:51:06] Speaker A: And he does. He. Yeah, he does. He's made so many connections for people. [00:51:10] Speaker B: Yes. [00:51:11] Speaker A: You know, I've met so many beautiful people through him. [00:51:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:16] Speaker A: You know, that I'm still friends with to this day, like, you know, and they're in different parts of the world. [00:51:21] Speaker B: Right. [00:51:22] Speaker A: Spread out everywhere. [00:51:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:24] Speaker A: And that's the one thing I say, actually, like, when I was younger, because I used to, you know, you see so many different races and nationalities through him. You know, you'd see white people all together in the same show. White people, black people, Asian people, everywhere, every race and every nationality all at one together. So. So for me watching that, I never understood the other part of it because that's, that's what I saw first. [00:51:54] Speaker B: Right. [00:51:54] Speaker A: Was everybody together. So I think in that way, he showed me that positive part of, of coming together, races coming together than, Than what the outside world was showing. Right. You'd see all this divide. I mean, well, I never understood that because he was able to bring so many people together, they wouldn't even know each other and they'd be arm around each other with their candles and swing and they'd singing together. And he brought everybody together like that. [00:52:27] Speaker B: Yeah. No such a beautiful thing. [00:52:29] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. So he kind of, you know, put on people some good morals and, and, and lessons for people. I mean, I think he predicted so many things, like, you know, 30, 40 years ago, my God, he healed the world and Earth song and everything. Like. And he's all. It's happening on no. [00:52:52] Speaker B: Right. [00:52:53] Speaker A: You know, and you're like, he was singing about that they don't care about us. He was singing about that 30 years ago. Right? [00:53:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:00] Speaker A: You know? [00:53:01] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I know. I, I say that a lot over the past couple years where it's just been like, listening. It's like almost like hearing the song differently. You know, I think when we were younger, we weren't, like, privy to what was going on in the world. Maybe a lot of people weren't though, either. Like, you know, if I look at, like, you know, my parents, you know, who were adults at the time. [00:53:27] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:53:28] Speaker B: You know, like, it's just crazy how, like, his music is timeless. Like. [00:53:34] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, it is timeless. And I think we, we. We hear things differently now that we're older. When you have to kind of face the world by yourself. [00:53:44] Speaker B: Right. [00:53:44] Speaker A: And as an adult and, and, and you do realize. Hold on, hold on a second. They actually don't really care about us, like, at all. [00:53:51] Speaker B: Right. [00:53:52] Speaker A: You know, because. Because when you're growing up in an environment, like, you don't have to worry about these things, you know, because you're only small and, you know, but as you get out, you go into the world yourself. He was right, actually. They don't care about us at all. Right. [00:54:08] Speaker B: Yep. [00:54:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:11] Speaker A: And I think. Yeah. So he predicted a lot of stuff. People put him down and they were saying this, that, and so he was, he was right and he proven to be right. [00:54:23] Speaker B: Yep. [00:54:23] Speaker A: You know. [00:54:24] Speaker B: Yeah, it was very right. [00:54:27] Speaker A: The victim of police brutality, you know, and then 25 years later, then like, you know, this guy's being killed by the police. You know, it's just. I think not. I wouldn't say it's a problem, but I think part of the thing with it is that he was so like, a song like that would say they don't care about us because it's so funky and it's so like, wow, this is what a tune this is like. And it's, it's rock, it's hip hop, it's, it's, it's everything all in one. The beats are good, the sound is so good. The lyrics are cool. His voice is cool. The people actually sometimes don't really hear what he's saying. [00:55:00] Speaker B: Right. [00:55:01] Speaker A: It doesn't register because they're like, oh, this is a tune. [00:55:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:06] Speaker A: They're not paying attention because they're like, man, this is a tune. I love this tune. What's it about? No idea. [00:55:11] Speaker B: Right. [00:55:12] Speaker A: You know, so. [00:55:13] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, is there anything else that you would like to share? [00:55:17] Speaker A: I just think that he'll. He live forever. [00:55:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:22] Speaker A: Like, people will still talk about him in, in four or five hundred years the way we still talk about Shakespeare and Beethoven, Mozart and Michelangelo da Vinci. We will still. People will still talk about him then in four or five hundred years because he. And I think people will. It's actually weird to think like 500 years ahead. You know, it makes your mind go up. But I think he will live forever and he will probably become something that people will study in every aspect because it was so special and such a one off that he will continue to inspire forever. [00:56:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:56:12] Speaker A: You know, like the artists that we have now, you know, they'll be gone in five, 10 years. Like, you know, nobody would talk about them ever again, you know, but they will continue to speak about him. I don't think he has a shelf life. I think he just will continue because even kids today, like, you know, two, three year olds, they're still, he's still getting new fans of every generation. [00:56:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:56:45] Speaker A: And in 20 years, there'll be another two, three year old that will that be doing the trailer dance. And in six years, you know, it'll just go on and on forever. Like. And you can't cancel them. You just can't. [00:56:56] Speaker B: Absolutely not. [00:56:58] Speaker A: Yeah. And we'd all continue to promote him, you know, did you see this to friends? Like, did you want to see this? You know, this is cool. Where can you see this? [00:57:10] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I'm like, trying to imagine 500 years from now, will it be podcasts? What else will it be? What will it be exactly? [00:57:17] Speaker A: What's it going to be in 500 years? It's kind of hard to fathom that, like. But, you know, he. You know, things will. Will exist in some form and. [00:57:25] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:57:26] Speaker A: And he. And he will continue to. To live. [00:57:28] Speaker B: Yes. Thank you so much. [00:57:31] Speaker A: No problem. It was an honor. [00:57:34] Speaker B: It was wonderful talking with you about my. [00:57:37] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, it's brilliant. It said I could talk about him forever. Like, you know, I know. You talking about him again. Yes, I am. [00:57:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:57:46] Speaker A: Do you even have to ask it? The day that I don't talk about them, that I'd be worried then, you know? [00:57:53] Speaker B: Exactly. Yeah. [00:57:55] Speaker A: Yeah. And actually, like, it's funny, like, if if ever something does happen, you know, that you kind of have to deal with friends do say, like, you know, just put on my kid. You know, go home, watch him, listen to him, whatever. Because they know that he's. That he's the space where. [00:58:11] Speaker B: Yeah. They know that he helps to lift your. Your spirits or whatever you want to call it. [00:58:17] Speaker A: Yeah. I used to go into a room and. And dance. I think those days are gone. No, I don't really have to. [00:58:24] Speaker B: Oh, I used to do that too. [00:58:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:58:27] Speaker B: I mean, I might be in the car listening to Michael and, like, dancing, and then I'm like, oh, my gosh, I'm in the mood to, like, go out and dance now or, you know, have a Michael Jackson party, which is my dream. [00:58:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:58:39] Speaker B: Big Michael Jackson dance party. But, yeah, I don't. I don't ever, like, go into a room anymore and just shut the door and. And dance. [00:58:47] Speaker A: Yeah, I know it's a bit. It's a shame because, you know, it's be things that we used to. Yeah, well, you could try and then like, five seconds later, like, back is broken. My other back is broken. [00:59:00] Speaker B: Blew my hip out now. [00:59:02] Speaker A: Oh, no, the other hip is gone. Oh, lovely. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah. It's weird how the body can just change like that because, you know, there was a time where you could just. No problem. And then literally all of a sudden it's like, oh, what's that pain? I can. And then the next day it's like, oh, another pain. I didn't. What the hell. [00:59:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:59:21] Speaker A: Kind of sucks, but it does big time. A lot. [00:59:25] Speaker B: Yes. Well, thank you so much, Declan. It's been a pleasure. Hopefully we can do this again. [00:59:31] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely. [00:59:32] Speaker B: Thank you, everyone, for watching. And it's all for love. [00:59:35] Speaker A: It's all for love. Hello, V. Hello. [00:59:39] Speaker B: Bye, everyone.