Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign.
[00:00:10] Speaker B: Welcome to the it's all for Love podcast. I'm Cheryl Mazza, the Healing Dancer, your host. This podcast is all about Michael Jackson and how he continues to spread love in our world and inspires us to live our best lives. Thank you so much for watching and or listening to this episode. But before we get to the episode, I have a few things that I want to tell you. If you are watching this podcast on YouTube, please make sure that you are subscribed to the YouTube channel and also like the video of the episode that you are watching. And I would also love it if you would leave us some comments about how much you loved the episode. If you are listening on any other podcast platform, if you are able to please subscribe on that platform. And also what would really help me is if you would leave a review on whatever podcast platform you are listening on. The reviews help the podcast to be more seen and to spread the word to other Michael Jackson fans about the podcast. And as always, I am looking for guests to be on the podcast. So if you would like to be a guest on this podcast and tell your Michael Jackson story, I would absolutely love to chat with you. Make sure to check out the show notes and find the link to click on to schedule a coffee chat with me or you can email me. The email address is also in the show notes. Thank you again for listening and or watching. It's all for Love.
[00:01:42] Speaker C: Hey everyone. Welcome to the it's all for Love podcast. I am Cheryl Mazza, the Healing Dancer and today we have Garrett Rogers Sr. Otherwise known as Influence the Masses, from San Francisco. I'm sorry, Sacramento, California.
He is a poet, an author, a speaker, educating and making all aware of poetry. And he is on a mission to put poetry in the forefront. He has a book of poetry entitled the Transition, which is gaining a lot of momentum. And I am going to put some information in the show notes about your book as well so that people can can find it and purchase it if they are interested in checking you out. Because I'm interested in it. I love poetry. I think that's so awesome that you have you been doing poetry a long time?
[00:02:35] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. Been doing it close to 10 years.
[00:02:38] Speaker C: That's awesome. I love poetry.
Have you ever read the book Dancing the Dream by Michael Jackson?
[00:02:46] Speaker D: Pop question.
Was that a poetry book?
[00:02:49] Speaker C: It is. It's his poetry. Yes.
[00:02:51] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:02:51] Speaker D: I never knew Michael Jackson wrote poetry.
[00:02:54] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:02:54] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We have Keisha here today too. She's going to join in our conversation about Michael and we're Gonna have a fun time talking about the King of pop. So, yeah, check out Dance in the Dream because it's, it's a collection of his poetry and he wrote all of it, so it's okay. Amazing.
[00:03:17] Speaker A: Yeah, sure will.
[00:03:19] Speaker C: Yes. All right, so let's get into it. Tell me, how did you discover Michael? When did he strike you in the heart?
[00:03:28] Speaker D: He strike me on the heart at 13 years old. Strike me on that at 13 years old. I was so embodied by him, just so amazed by him. There was, there was no restraints on Michael Jackson. That's, that's, that's part of what I take from him today.
There was no restraints and he wasn't, it seemed like he wasn't scared of anything. If, if he felt it, if it was on his heart and, and, and, and he wanted to do it, he just did it. And you just had to catch up. You just had to pretty much catch up. So. On my 13th birthday, either 12th or 13th. On my 12 or 13th birthday, I actually. Only thing I wanted for my birthday was the Thriller Al. Thriller album. Excuse me. That's all I wanted. My birthday was. Was a Thriller album. I didn't want nothing else. My Thriller album. And, and, and my, my birthday cake and ice cream.
[00:04:21] Speaker C: That's awesome. That sounds like a, an awesome birthday to me. That's kind of like what I want every year.
[00:04:27] Speaker D: Yeah. So mom. So mom got the album. She put it on the record player. See, I go always old school, you know, one, no CD players and all this other stuff. She put it on the record player. She put the needle on there. And we was rocking like you said. That was, that was a rocking birthday part. Birthday party right there. And we just rocked out to Michael Jackson, the whole Thriller album.
[00:04:53] Speaker C: Oh, I love it.
[00:04:54] Speaker D: Me and my brothers and sisters.
[00:04:57] Speaker C: I love that. I love that. Yeah, that sounds like a party. Like I said, I've always. Anytime someone asks me, what do you want to do for your birthday? I'm like, can we just play Michael Jackson music and dance all night long? Like that's all I ever want. That's it.
[00:05:09] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:05:10] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:05:11] Speaker C: That's fun for me.
I love it. Yes.
How has Michael inspired you throughout your life?
[00:05:21] Speaker D: He's inspired me with his creativity.
Where's creativity? His empathy, his passion and just his love for humanity. And like I said, his, his love. You. You couldn't. You couldn't trap. You couldn't cage his love. His love was just that big that it just. They just influenced the masses. That's, that's what his love. Then when I think about that. That's what his love did. It influenced the mass.
[00:05:48] Speaker A: Oh, dead.
[00:05:49] Speaker C: It did every word of his song. And just his being influenced the masses.
I love that.
What? Do you have a favorite Michael Jackson song if you had to pick one?
[00:06:04] Speaker D: Billie Jean.
[00:06:06] Speaker A: Oh, that was mine. Why'd you take that? That was mine.
[00:06:09] Speaker D: You got. You, you, you. You was thinking too late. You was moving too slow. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:06:19] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:06:19] Speaker D: Billie Jean. Billie Jean. I'm looking at the man in the mirror.
[00:06:23] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:06:24] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah.
I'm looking at the man. Oh, and then I go old school with We Are the World. See, people, forget about that one right there.
[00:06:32] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah.
[00:06:35] Speaker D: We Are the World.
[00:06:35] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, he did.
[00:06:37] Speaker D: Yeah. We Are the World was powerful. People don't understand how powerful that was, because that was during the 80s, that was during the crack epidemic. That was what was going on in Africa, all these 31 countries. And when they came out with We Are the World and just all those artists came together with Michael Jackson, I mean, that was powerful.
[00:06:56] Speaker A: I mean, yeah.
[00:06:57] Speaker D: I mean, I've seen a lot of collaborations throughout the years, but that right there is all by itself. It's in class by itself. Those were all electric.
[00:07:07] Speaker A: Yeah, that one hit home. That one hit home.
[00:07:11] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:07:12] Speaker A: Every home. Every home. Yeah, Every home.
[00:07:16] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we are the world.
[00:07:19] Speaker C: I think it still does to this day, you know, with that Netflix special that they had out about it.
[00:07:26] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:07:27] Speaker C: I mean, I learned so much just from that. And then, you know, it just, like, rekindled. Because, like you said, a lot of people forget about that song, you know, just like, rekindled. That. And every time I hear it, I cry. I can't.
[00:07:39] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah.
[00:07:40] Speaker A: And then.
[00:07:41] Speaker D: And then another thing that showed us, too, Cheryl, that we all could come from different backgrounds. Doesn't care about Creed, doesn't care about color.
None of that didn't matter. It was just all about we are the world. We. The love and the compassion that we can radiate that we can shine through if we all just come together in one, one accord. Because we all. We all can meet in the middle on something. You know, we all have differences about whether it's religion, whether it's politics, whether sports or whatever it might be, we all can meet in the middle on something. If you don't allow yourself to meet in the middle, then that's you being biased. That's you being stubborn and ignorant and. And, and, and.
[00:08:23] Speaker C: And.
[00:08:23] Speaker D: And being racist, right?
[00:08:25] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Michael definitely brought so many people together. He still does to this day. I'm meeting people all world, just doing this podcast and it's just amazing, you know, his, his love and his magic that he had on.
[00:08:42] Speaker D: Yes, yeah. Yes, yes.
[00:08:45] Speaker C: Yeah. Do you have a favorite music video? And I.
[00:08:52] Speaker D: Remember the time.
[00:08:54] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:08:54] Speaker D: Do you remember, Remember, Remember the Time? My favorite. The beginning of it, sitting on the throne. Yeah.
And he said, throw him to the lions. And then magic. Jump up, man. That's cold, man.
[00:09:13] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:09:17] Speaker D: That was good.
And then Michael comes in, and then Michael comes in and then Eddie Murphy looks at him like, what is he getting ready to do? He gives him that look. Yeah. Remember the Time video is, man, that's classic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a lot going on. It was a lot going on in that video.
[00:09:35] Speaker C: Yes, there was.
[00:09:36] Speaker D: Yeah, that was a lot going on. It was, it was humor, you know, it was, it was, it was, it was sadness, you know what I'm saying? And you, you just, but you just. But the thing about it, only Michael can do it. How he could take all his emotions, just wrap them all into one and.
[00:09:50] Speaker A: Just make into one, right?
[00:09:52] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. Michael, Michael. He's the only one that I've seen that could do that. Just take all these different emotions and, and just wrap them all into one and you just, you just feel good about all of them.
[00:10:01] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:10:01] Speaker D: You know, you just leave whatever the, the album, his song, the video, you just feel good. Just, just, just, just about, just about everything. You're like, wow, that was, I mean, that was a sad moment. Or, or that was a, a funny moment. But I just.
[00:10:17] Speaker A: That was powerful right there.
[00:10:19] Speaker D: I just feel good.
[00:10:21] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah.
[00:10:22] Speaker D: Remember the time, right?
[00:10:24] Speaker C: It's got you going through all the emotions.
[00:10:26] Speaker D: Yeah, I love it.
[00:10:29] Speaker C: Keisha, do you have a favorite Michael Jackson video or short film?
[00:10:36] Speaker A: The one that I like was. I'm talking to the man in the mirror. That one was really good for me. That one was really, really good. That, you know, the time that I grew up is like in the crack era and we were going through a lot, we were experiencing a lot. And it just helped bring for me self esteem.
[00:10:58] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:10:59] Speaker A: Just being able to look at myself and talk to myself and reassure myself that I was better than what I was seeing and what was going on around me.
[00:11:09] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:11:10] Speaker A: I loved it. I loved it.
[00:11:11] Speaker C: Yes. Yes.
[00:11:12] Speaker A: I introduced my grandson. I have 11 year old grandson who I introduced and he was like, whoa, what is he doing when he would moonwalk? And my grandson right now to this day still tries to moonwalk.
[00:11:29] Speaker C: I Love it.
[00:11:30] Speaker A: He's 11. We don't I don't. I don't see half of the youth even liking Michael, knowing who he is, let me put it that way.
[00:11:40] Speaker C: Right?
[00:11:41] Speaker A: You have to introduce them. You really do. You have to let them know that he was very powerful. You know, his music, it was uplifting. You know, it was. It was sad sometimes, you know, but it was like you said, all together. He put. He put everything all together where you could. Everybody could sit down and relate to it. You know what I'm saying?
He was very good. So. Yeah. Yep.
[00:12:10] Speaker C: Awesome. Thank you.
[00:12:11] Speaker A: So. I really like that.
[00:12:12] Speaker C: Thank you. Yeah. Does. Does Michael ever show up in your life magically to this day?
[00:12:23] Speaker D: I feel the spirit is always there.
Yeah. I feel spirit is always there with. He's there with all of us, you know, because we all. We all took a piece of them, you know, ever since you. You've been introduced to him, you. You took a piece. Took a piece from Michael Jackson.
[00:12:38] Speaker A: You.
[00:12:39] Speaker D: And you've actually. You've actually carried them throughout your life.
[00:12:42] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:12:43] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:12:44] Speaker C: Oh, yeah.
[00:12:47] Speaker A: When he passed away, I don't. I don't remember not knowing anyone that did not shed a tear for that man. Yeah, yeah, everybody. And. And, oh, it's some famous people that have made some awesome records that have passed away, and I've never cried, but Michael Jackson, right?
[00:13:06] Speaker D: Oh, God.
[00:13:07] Speaker A: We're all in the house and we're.
[00:13:08] Speaker D: Hugging on each other. Oh, yeah.
[00:13:10] Speaker A: He touched a lot of lives. Yes.
[00:13:12] Speaker D: Yeah. And then. And then the people that committed suicide because of Michael Jackson. You. Right? I've never seen another. I've never seen another entertainer pass away and people just jumping out of windows and killing themselves.
[00:13:24] Speaker A: Oh, my God.
[00:13:26] Speaker D: Yeah. Just jumping off the building for Michael Jackson. Yeah. I've never seen that for any other entertainer. So like I said, Michael Jackson was something special, something totally different that people were actually committing suicide for. For his death.
Hey, I want to go. I want to go with him. Yeah.
[00:13:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:46] Speaker C: It's as sad as that is, but he. He did have such an. Like, just everybody felt his love, whether you knew him or not. Like, so many of us never met him. Right. So it's like we just felt his heart and knew his heart.
[00:14:02] Speaker D: Oh. But I kind of begged the difference. I kind of met him a little bit.
[00:14:06] Speaker A: You did?
[00:14:07] Speaker D: Yeah. I'm tripping.
[00:14:08] Speaker C: I gotta hear it. Come on.
[00:14:10] Speaker D: Okay. I was. I was in Atlanta, Georgia, for three years, and I would travel back and forth to Nashville. To Atlanta. Nashville. Nashville, Atlanta. You know, just doing work and whatnot. And I happen to get invited to this convention in Nashville, Tennessee. So I walk in the building, you know, got my good friend with me. I look over to the left at one of the booths, and I see Joe Jackson in the flesh.
I see Joe. Yes, I see Joe Jackson. So I walk over to Joe Jackson, I said, man, thank you, man, for giving us Michael Jackson. I shake his hand and whatnot, and he gave me a big old hug, and we just, you know, just fellowship for a minute. And I mean, it was Joe Jackson right there in the. Look at him. I'm talking to him. I'm telling him, thank him for. For. For bringing Michael Jackson, you know, being. Being. Being half and, you know, in the creation of bringing Michael Jackson to this world, to us, to the Madison. And he told me, I'm welcome, and it was a beautiful thing. Yeah. So that's why I said amen. Yeah. That's why I say I. I partially met Michael Jackson.
[00:15:16] Speaker A: When you.
[00:15:16] Speaker D: You. I'm. I'm.
[00:15:18] Speaker A: I'm gonna say a little something. You. You, like, met the creator of Michael Jackson?
[00:15:22] Speaker D: Yes, I met.
Right, Yeah, I met the creator. Yeah.
[00:15:28] Speaker A: Wow, that's powerful.
I have a cousin who met Michael Jackson and this just let you guys know how real he really was. She was in foster care and he came there.
[00:15:47] Speaker D: Wow.
[00:15:47] Speaker A: And she. Yes. Her name is Alicia, and she.
There's pictures. There is pictures of her with Michael Jackson. Yes, he was. He came to the foster care in Sacramento.
[00:16:05] Speaker D: Yes, yes, he did.
[00:16:08] Speaker A: Yes, he did. He was a good person. A good person. Come on, now. He was a good person.
[00:16:13] Speaker C: He did a lot of work. I had a gentleman on here, his name is Paul Dwyer. He's from Australia. And he did. He wrote a book called the Humanitarian, the Real Michael Jackson. Humanitarian, the Real Michael Jackson. And he's got all the stories in there of, like, just like, you just talked about, like, you know, he's actually talked to other people that were sick at the time, you know, and he, you know, went there and visited, and that's how they met him. You know, he was just amazing. Going to these places and visiting people that all they needed was, you know, that love. So.
[00:16:48] Speaker A: Yeah, that love. Yep. Yep. I love that.
[00:16:51] Speaker C: Well, thank you for sharing. Yeah. And thanks for sharing the story about Joe Jackson.
[00:16:56] Speaker D: Yeah, he's going home to be with the Lord, but, yeah, I got a chance to meet him.
[00:17:02] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:17:03] Speaker A: Amen.
[00:17:04] Speaker C: What do you want the world to know about Michael Jackson?
[00:17:07] Speaker D: I want the world to know about Michael Jackson. That he was half amazing and he was half. He was. He was half of. He was half Amazing. And he was the other half just love.
[00:17:21] Speaker A: Okay?
[00:17:21] Speaker D: He's half amazing. He was, he was half love. He. And. And he knew how to balance both of them.
[00:17:27] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:17:28] Speaker D: You know, he knew how to balance both of them perfectly. And that's only by God. That's only about God was able to. To mold and shape him because like I said, he was. Michael Jackson was cut from a different cloth ever since he was, you know, knee high to a grasshopper as a little kid. He was cut from a different cloth. He moved a different way, he talked a different way. And just the way he carried himself with just professional love, respect, dignity, you know, and he was raised right. You know, we don't talk about that too. Michael Jackson was raised right. He was raised with some manners. He was raised not to disrespect women. He was raised not to cuss and slander and, and, and embarrass himself on TV and interview. Nobody never talks about that. He was raised with some morals. He knew how to carry himself, you know, Michael Jackson knew how to carry himself with grace and authority. He walked. He walked like royalty. You know, Michael Jackson carried himself like royalty even though he wasn't a king of England or, or any of those kings, you know, somewhere else of, Of. Of, you know, in third world country when I still walk with grace and royalty. So he knew how to carry himself. And that's what I admire about him, you know, that's. I, I find myself sometimes patterning myself too behind there. You, you, you got to, you, you gots to know where you at and what you're doing at all times because somebody is always watching. You're always on your microscope and somebody always gonna say, oh, see right there. See, look at that cuffing. See right there, look, look what they did. See?
And Michael always carried himself, we think even though the tabloids always would try to tear him up, he still would get on that podium. He wouldn't, he wouldn't, he wouldn't throw no jabs back at him. He would state the truth and he would keep it moving.
[00:19:19] Speaker C: That's right.
[00:19:20] Speaker D: Yeah. And he would keep it. Well, he would never throw any jab back at the tabloids. And they was. And they, boy, they tried to cut him up every chance.
[00:19:28] Speaker A: Yeah, they tried to eat him up every time. Yeah, yeah.
[00:19:31] Speaker D: They would try to cut Michael up. Whether it was talking about touching on the kids or whether it was this over here or whether it's this over there. They would always, The t. Boys always try to cut him up and he would never retaliate he never retaliated? No, never. He just state. He just stated the facts. That's it. He got on the podium, he got. Went to the press conference and he stated the facts right, you know? Yeah, he did.
[00:20:00] Speaker A: That just goes to show, you paid a lot of attention, man. That's something that I never really focused on, you know, I never really paid attention to that, but thank you for that. Thank you. That's. That's powerful. Yes, he did. I could say that he was. We. He was a human being. Yeah.
[00:20:18] Speaker D: Yes, he was.
[00:20:18] Speaker A: And, you know, when you're that famous, people don't look at you that way. And especially like you said when you hit the tabloid to always try to cut the man down, downgrade the man, talk about the man bad, make him look bad. You know, we, we. Everybody always think of him as, oh, he's not human. No, he was a. He was a human being. You know what I'm saying? He was something flesh and he was great. You know what I'm saying? And like you said, I never heard him curse.
[00:20:50] Speaker D: Oh, no, we never heard.
[00:20:55] Speaker A: That's powerful.
[00:20:57] Speaker D: You never.
And he had plenty of times where he should be cussing, you know, let's keep it real. He had plenty of time and, and, and blackballing him and, and. And putting it down and saying this and all these allegations. He had plenty of times where he should be cussing, but he never resorted to that. Low.
[00:21:17] Speaker C: No, because there's a famous.
[00:21:20] Speaker D: There's a famous swearing. There's a famous saying that if you have a. A filthy seller's mouth, then you have a low education.
[00:21:28] Speaker A: That's. Yeah, grew up on that one.
[00:21:31] Speaker D: Yeah.
You have a very low education.
[00:21:37] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. And Mike definitely did not have that. He was always learning and he was always teaching himself, you know, that he was like, he was super smart, that man. Like, he knew everything about everything.
[00:21:50] Speaker D: So.
[00:21:51] Speaker C: Yeah. And he did always speak the truth, speak the facts. Yes.
[00:21:56] Speaker D: Music and business.
[00:21:57] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:21:59] Speaker D: Wow.
[00:22:00] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:22:00] Speaker A: I'm gonna have to go back and. And. And do a little. Little more research because maybe just hit home. I never heard him curse.
[00:22:08] Speaker D: No.
[00:22:08] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:22:09] Speaker C: He's just always so respectful and. Yeah. Even when he was mad.
[00:22:14] Speaker D: Yeah, even when he was mad.
[00:22:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:16] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:22:17] Speaker A: And I could say that my mom, A lot of. A lot of parents back in. When I grew up, back in the day, and they wanted their kids to be singers and stuff, they imitated Michael Jackson, the Jackson 5. My mom, I'm a living witness because my mom made us sing and stand and oh, man, it was we went through some trials back then, boy, trying to be the Jackson five. Trying to imitate the Jackson five. Oh, yeah. And it was all about them. It was all about them.
[00:22:52] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:22:58] Speaker A: It's wonderful. It's wonderful.
[00:23:00] Speaker C: Yes.
Well, how does Michael continue to spread.
[00:23:03] Speaker B: Love in your world?
[00:23:07] Speaker D: Through his music, through his legacy.
[00:23:12] Speaker C: Beautiful.
[00:23:13] Speaker D: His. His music, anytime you just put it on, just radiates love. Just playing this music, radiate love by itself.
[00:23:19] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:23:20] Speaker D: If you just walk down the street and just play, Just put his music on a Bluetooth speaker, it just. It would just radiate love all down the street.
People. People will pull over. People will pull over. People will be coming out of restaurants, people become out of shopping centers. Just. Just congregating and just following you with that Bluetooth speaker.
[00:23:41] Speaker C: Right. Be like, where's Michael?
[00:23:43] Speaker D: Where's Michael at?
[00:23:45] Speaker C: Where's it coming?
[00:23:46] Speaker D: You know, and we got it. And we gotta admit. And we gotta admit. And we can all three laugh about this. We gotta admit. When we're like in. In a shopping mall or somewhere, whatnot, and Michael Jackson comes on in the store, what do we do? We stop everything we're doing. I mean, we could be looking at. I mean, we could be looking at some appliances and whatnot. When we hear Michael Jackson come on that store, everything stops for that second. Everything. And we go back to that moment. We go back to that moment to when we first start that song.
[00:24:14] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:24:15] Speaker D: I don't know how it don't matter how old you was, but we stop everything we're doing wherever we at. We stop everything we're doing, and we go back to that moment when we first heard that song. And it's like our own. It's like our own special time capsule right there. We go into our own private time capsule right there. Yeah, you know, whatever. I mean, it could be any song. It could be any song, but it doesn't matter. When it comes on, we stop everything we do. I mean, the kids could be talking, your wife can be talking, your husband talking. I mean, everybody gets muted out. Yeah, everybody gets muted out. And you're like. And they'd be like, well, dad, what happened? What happened? You like, I gotta blame it on Michael.
I gotta blame it on Michael. He took me back.
[00:24:58] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:24:59] Speaker D: Think about that later. You know, you gotta tell the kids. Yeah, Daddy or Mom, we'll explain it to you later. Yeah, I went to a time cap.
Yeah. Don't be mad at me.
[00:25:08] Speaker C: That's so funny. That literally just happened to me at work the other day. It Was like, there's a cafeteria where I work, okay. In the cafeteria with some friends that I work with. And man in the Mirror came on and I just stopped and was like, jamming through it. And they're looking at me like, what the hell? It's my goal. Like, you can't just keep going on with life. You got to stop and take it in.
[00:25:28] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. You gotta take it in. Yeah. So they had to wait for you to stop dancing, right, Cheryl to Dad. Wait for you to stop dancing to continue the conversation, huh?
[00:25:37] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:25:37] Speaker C: Yeah. I was like, I'll catch up with you later.
[00:25:43] Speaker A: That's cool.
[00:25:44] Speaker D: That's cool.
It's a beautiful thing, but. It's a beautiful thing. So that's. That's. That's the answer to your question. He still. He's still here. And just like I said, just his love for his music, like I said, when his music comes on, it just. Like I said, it just. It's all about love. It just radiates love. So, yes, today, you know, wherever you might be at, like you talked about when you were, you know, in the cafeteria, whatnot, it just. When the music comes on, it just says love. That's it. That's all. It just. It just says love. There's no. There's no other way I could put it. I'm looking for other words to come up with. I'm looking for. But I. But I can't. That's. That's. That's it. Yeah, it just. It just. It just says love.
[00:26:28] Speaker C: Yeah, that's it. That's the only word I can use to explain him.
[00:26:32] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or unless I'm having a brain fart right now.
[00:26:42] Speaker A: Yeah, I know.
[00:26:43] Speaker D: I.
[00:26:43] Speaker A: And, and another thing about it is, you know, how he touched lives is when you listen to Chris Tucker.
[00:26:50] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. Chris Tucker brings up the comedy into it. Yeah. No, not even that. When, When, When Michael Jackson. My favorite classic is when Michael Jackson was coming up, was dancing on stage, and Chris Tucker, he looks over and he sees Chris Tucker next to him, and he just falls out on the ground. Oh, man, that's. That's classic. Oh, that's classic. You remember that doing the dance and he's. And he just falls out on the ground. See, that was Michael.
See, entertainers don't do that anymore. That was Michael being vulnerable right there. That was Michael being the big old kid that he always is.
[00:27:32] Speaker A: Always here.
[00:27:33] Speaker D: That was. That was Never, Never let Michael Jackson right there.
[00:27:36] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:27:38] Speaker D: Never Never Land. Michael Jackson in the flash just fall out on stage and not care who's looking, who does that.
[00:27:45] Speaker C: Right.
[00:27:46] Speaker D: Doesn't do that. Jay Z doesn't do that. A little Wayne doesn't do that. Or Drake doesn't do that. Just fall out on the ground and just start laughing like a big old kid who's looking.
[00:27:57] Speaker C: Right, Right. Yeah.
[00:27:59] Speaker D: Nobody does that.
[00:28:01] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:28:02] Speaker A: That was powerful.
[00:28:03] Speaker D: Yeah. Only Michael did that. Fell out on the stage. Yeah. Chris Tucker and fell out.
[00:28:12] Speaker C: I love him.
[00:28:15] Speaker A: Yeah, I do, too. He's a good guy. Michael really touched his heart.
[00:28:20] Speaker D: Really?
[00:28:21] Speaker A: Oh, man, he talks. He talks wonderful about him.
[00:28:24] Speaker D: Yeah, he does. Yeah, he does. And then when he impersonates Michael, that's. That's another. Oh, yeah, yeah.
[00:28:30] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:28:32] Speaker D: Michael J. Like Chris Tucker.
Yeah.
[00:28:39] Speaker A: Wonderful guy.
[00:28:41] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So is there anything else that you would like to share about Michael Jackson?
[00:28:49] Speaker D: What was that? Cheryl?
[00:28:50] Speaker C: Is there anything else that you would like to share with us about Michael?
[00:28:59] Speaker D: Michael's like the big brother I never had.
I think there's a lot of people feel like that he was like the uncle or the cousin or the big brother or the son that you never had.
[00:29:11] Speaker C: Yeah. Yes.
[00:29:12] Speaker A: Or the baby daddy. Because I was living on Detroit.
[00:29:15] Speaker D: Not to cut you off.
Wait.
[00:29:17] Speaker A: Not to cut you off. Wait, wait. Not to cut you off. I. I was inside. I'm in Sacramento, and I stayed on Detroit Avenue.
[00:29:26] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:29:27] Speaker A: This young lady, she was very disabled. Disabled, okay. Very disabled. And she carried around a baby doll, and we were playing Michael Jackson's music.
She came to the door and told us that that was Michael Jackson's baby.
She wore.
No lie. She wore makeup like he did in some of his videos and stuff.
[00:29:59] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:30:00] Speaker A: She said that that was his baby. So we didn't. We didn't sweat it. We was like, okay. You know, she's.
She came back the next day and said, is Michael Jackson here?
[00:30:15] Speaker D: Wow.
[00:30:16] Speaker A: We weren't playing these music. We said, no. But this young lady touched my heart so much because I never heard nobody say that. She said, this is Michael Jackson's baby and know where he's at. I said, we don't know where he is, but I have something for you.
[00:30:33] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:30:34] Speaker A: And to this day, I tell all my kids and my grandkids I should have never gave that record because that was one of my husband's very first records. And that record was worth money now. But I gave it to her.
[00:30:48] Speaker D: Yeah, I.
[00:30:50] Speaker A: Yes, I gave her that record.
[00:30:52] Speaker D: I don't even know. I don't even remember what happened to my third album. Like, I said, I was 12, 13, so I don't know, I probably had to call my mom. She probably gave it away as well. She had a. She had a. She had a big record collection. Yeah, she had a big record collection. So I know it was in there. She probably gave it away, David. Salvation army or something. But. Yeah. Yeah, that's. That's a. That's a crazy story.
[00:31:14] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:31:14] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:31:16] Speaker D: But when you think about it, though, there were a lot. During that time period when Billie Jean came out, remember, there were a lot of women coming up and filing complaints saying they were pregnant by. Remember, that was.
[00:31:28] Speaker A: Yeah, it was something.
[00:31:30] Speaker D: It was something in the air. During that time when Billy Jean was out, it was something in the air because there were a lot of women coming over allegations saying, hey, they were pregnant. And this is Michael Jackson, baby.
[00:31:40] Speaker A: It was crazy, baby.
[00:31:41] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:31:43] Speaker A: Y.
Yeah. That's a moment I'll never forget.
[00:31:49] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:31:51] Speaker C: Good times always with Michael. Good stuff.
[00:31:53] Speaker D: Amen.
[00:31:54] Speaker A: Amen.
[00:31:55] Speaker C: Well, thank you both so much for being on this podcast and talking to me about Michael, my favorite person.
[00:32:03] Speaker D: No problem. No problem.
[00:32:05] Speaker C: Talk forever. So.
[00:32:07] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:32:07] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, again, thank you both so much for sharing time with me and the love. And it's all for love. Always.
[00:32:17] Speaker A: See you next time. Amen.
All right.
[00:32:21] Speaker D: All right. Appreciate you.
[00:32:22] Speaker A: Bye, you guys.
[00:32:23] Speaker D: Nice meeting you. All right.
[00:32:26] Speaker A: Yes. God bless.
